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Title: Winning the Battle and Losing the War - Again
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(Date Posted:09/20/2009 21:59:37)

I've seen a lot of back and forth about CWVM or CWSM the last couple of days, but I have yet to hear anyone in the leadership indicate that they are in contact with the SecDef's office and will be discussing the issue with him.  It appears that everyone seems to thinks that Gates' answer to the question is going to magically change just because it is at the top of the list.  Reality check guys - Gates will ask his staff to prepare an answer for him on the issue.  The staff will research it and as all good staff officers do - they will determine what DoD's position has been on the medal.  Guess what guys - the answer they prepare for Gates will say that the medal is not appropriate, service during the Cold War is recognized by other medals, it duplicates other awards, and would be too costly.  So guess what the SecDef's response will be to the question...  The leadership has a very small window of opportunity to put the group's position forward to the SecDef before he responds to the question.  The group's entry is the fact that it is the top issue and you have information that would help the SecDef understand why it is the top issue and why it is important.  Your window of opportunity will most likely close by the end of this week.  If you have not succeeded in getting a briefing in front of him that responds to all of DoD's historical reasons for not supporting the medal - he most likely will simply repeat all of them yet again.  End result - there will be no medal and the goup will have won the battle only to loose the war.

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Re:Winning the Battle and Losing the War - Again
(Date Posted:09/21/2009 10:44:47)

Yes, I've noticed the leadership is quiet as well.

Somebody (Dr Tims?) please advise us what you'd like us to do from here.

Thanks.

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Joseph J. Clune

Jerald Terwilliger
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RE:Winning the Battle and Losing the War - Again
(Date Posted:09/21/2009 12:43:43)

Yes, I have placed this info before Sec. Gates. How long we have waited, our estimate of cost vs DoD
the fact that many many veterans served their tour and received no medal or award of any type.
In 2002 CBO estimated a cost of about 30 million over ten years.

DoD claims of $33.00 cost per medal are so way out of line.

Like I said, no reply yet.

Jerry

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RE:Winning the Battle and Losing the War - Again
(Date Posted:09/21/2009 12:58:32)


Unless you have actually talked to someone in his immediate office in person or on the phone - the odds are that Gates has not and probably will not see the information you provided and you will not get an answer from him. 
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Re:Winning the Battle and Losing the War - Again
(Date Posted:09/21/2009 15:30:57)

DBMN-

Do you have a POC at the DoD that Jerry or another member of the leadership can contact?

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Joseph J. Clune

DBMN
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RE:Winning the Battle and Losing the War - Again
(Date Posted:09/21/2009 17:02:34)


I can't post it on here for obvious reasons but if you give me your's and Jerry's email addresses I will be happy to email the info to you for his use or Dr Tims use only.  This is a registered VSO so they should be able to get access to the SecDef.
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Re:Winning the Battle and Losing the War - Again
(Date Posted:09/22/2009 10:26:24)

DBMN,

In the block by each of our screen names you can see the word "ACTIONS".

If you click on the box and scoll down to "Send Message" you and send a private message to Jerry with your POC and then I assume Jerry can get it to Dr. Tims and/or action it himself.

I fully understand not wanting to post that info for the world to see here.

Thanks for your input. 

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Joseph J. Clune

DBMN
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RE:Winning the Battle and Losing the War - Again
(Date Posted:09/22/2009 14:06:49)


Done.  Thanks

We'll see what they do now.
Frank_T
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RE:Winning the Battle and Losing the War - Again
(Date Posted:11/09/2009 19:54:16)

DOD has not been contacted for one reason -- a bill was pending and we did not have anything to ask them about. Now we do -- asking them to support the CWSM legislation.  BUT our first move should be to contact the WHITE HOUSE.  If Obama wants to o it, then DOD will not fall back on "It's our policy."
In addition, Senator Jim Webb has his name on this bill, and he is chairman of the subcommittee that writes the personnel section of the NDAA.  We are not home yet on the CWSM, but DOD knows who Jim Webb is and they pay attention to him. Right now, we need to get him all the support we can (i.e., co-sponsors for S.2743, the Cold War Medal Act of 2009).  There are 96 senators who have not signed on yet.  So call, e-mail, and send them the CWSM postcards (available free by e-mailing me with your name and address at ftims@aol.com.) 
In addition to your senators, send postcards to PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA.  Many of these will be forwarded to DOD for reply if you include your name and address with your (brief) message.  If they get these from enough people (you, family, friends, Legion/VFW/AMVETS members), they will PAY ATTENTION.
We have a window of opportunity.  The first objective is to get co-sponsors and make the White House aware of the bill and how important it is to CW vets
ftims@aol.com
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USMC_Kinda_Guy
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Re:Winning the Battle and Losing the War - Again
(Date Posted:11/10/2009 10:58:29)

Dr. Tims,
Thanks for the update; much appreciated.

In any event, I'm interested to see how Sec. Gates will ultimately choose to answer the #1 approval-rated question on his Dept. of Defense poll.
 
USMC_Kinda_Guy
JIM WELLER
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RE:Winning the Battle and Losing the War - Again
(Date Posted:11/10/2009 17:30:58)

Yes, time has come for Sec. Gates to speak.  Hopefully, his staffers will see the bills and take note of the CWSM being #1 on their survey, and treat it as a REAL issue that needs to be properly addressed.

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Reply To Frank%5FT
(Date Posted:11/11/2009 08:49:15)

Reply to Frank_T (11/09/2009 19:54:16)

DOD has not been contacted for one reason -- a bill was pending and we did not have anything to ask them about. Now we do -- asking them to support the CWSM legislation.  BUT our first move should be to contact the WHITE HOUSE.  If Obama wants to o it, then DOD will not fall back on "It's our policy."
In addition, Senator Jim Webb has his name on this bill, and he is chairman of the subcommittee that writes the personnel section of the NDAA.  We are not home yet on the CWSM, but DOD knows who Jim Webb is and they pay attention to him. Right now, we need to get him all the support we can (i.e., co-sponsors for S.2743, the Cold War Medal Act of 2009).  There are 96 senators who have not signed on yet.  So call, e-mail, and send them the CWSM postcards (available free by e-mailing me with your name and address at ftims@aol.com.) 
In addition to your senators, send postcards to PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA.  Many of these will be forwarded to DOD for reply if you include your name and address with your (brief) message.  If they get these from enough people (you, family, friends, Legion/VFW/AMVETS members), they will PAY ATTENTION.
We have a window of opportunity.  The first objective is to get co-sponsors and make the White House aware of the bill and how important it is to CW vets
ftims@aol.com
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Dr. Tims,

I respectfully disagree. There is a past Congressional Resolution that authorized the DoD to create a Cold War Medal. The problem was it said "should" not "will". Rumsfeld chose not to. Gates could using that same authority right now to create the Medal without any of the current Bills in Congress.

With the poll question firmly in place, addressing the Cold War Medal issue directly with him makes sense. Then the ACWV can bring up our concerns about Reservist and Guardsmen being excluded.

By working this thru the DoD we could have a Cold War Medal approved and being issued before either of the current Bills get voted on.

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