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USMC_Kinda_Guy
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Re:Texas Medal Resolution
(Date Posted:09/09/2009 16:08:57)
Nicely worded resolution; covers all the major points (and concerns by DoD as well). I recall that the the idea of using the American Defense Service Medal (ADSM) in lieu of a CWSM/CWVM received a good bit of attention, especially as a fall-back position. It was always a good argument, given that the geo-political/military context in the years leading up to WWII and the Cold War period were very similiar. An added benefit - beyond the several excellent ones that were recounted in the Texas bill - is that the ADSM has a much higher precedence ranking than would a CWSM or CWVM (if they were ever created). Certainly, the ADSM takes away the bulls--t money arguments always hawked by DoD.
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Billy_D(Ex-member)
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Re:Texas Medal Resolution
(Date Posted:09/09/2009 16:31:54)
Great post belknap, thanks for the insite
the state of Texas doing it right! I agree it covers all bases, without hesitation I would be more than grateful to accept the ADSM if this gets to the president I bet he will sign off on it..........
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bELKNAP
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RE:Texas Medal Resolution
(Date Posted:09/10/2009 06:32:51)
Just wanted to say as follow up on this Texas resolution that I'm aware that CWSM/CWVM is priority medal objective for ACWV. I signed onto that rationale and agree. I only posted this as I ran into it when I entered some key words in a search engine, and thought the entry interesting, not having heard about it. I do wonder if some member from the Lone Star State knows who or what group was the force behind this. It sure does have some good words in it. Maybe an ally in our overall cause.
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Billy_D(Ex-member)
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Re:Texas Medal Resolution
(Date Posted:09/10/2009 08:06:01)
No question we all want a cwvm or a cwsm, that is the #1 objective, the wording in that resolution covers pretty much every topic that was covered here in ACWVA, from buying your own medal to issuing the ADSM in lieu of a CWVM to cutting costs for DOD, for me when I read that resolution and it noted all the veteran organizations and the ACWVA was mentioned that gave some weight to this organization. Maybe somebody out there realizes the only way to get cold war vets a medal is to issue the ADSM as stated in the resolution. However that does nothing to help cement our place in history and the recognition that cold war veterans want and deserve, the ADSM medal fails to mention anything about "The Cold War"
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Billy_D(Ex-member)
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Re:Texas Medal Resolution
(Date Posted:09/10/2009 08:12:45)
Correction they didn't mention ACWVA as I stated they mentioned the CWVA, which is not the same.
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pdudkowski
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RE:Texas Medal Resolution
(Date Posted:09/10/2009 08:22:28)
I just completed an e-mail to the State Senator requesting info on who was the driving force that got her to initiate the resolution. I also thanked her on our behalf. I did a little search on her bio. It seems the good Senator is very active in Veteran Affairs:
Senator Leticia Van de Putte, a pharmacist for more than 29 years, represents a large portion of San Antonio and Bexar County. A former-five term state representative, she is now serving her fourth term as a Texas State Senator for District 26. She is a strong advocate for children, veterans, quality public education and has consistently authored and sponsored bills aimed at improving economic opportunities for all Texans.
She has been recognized by the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials (NALEO) Edward R. Roybal Award, the Vietnam Veterans of America "Legislator of the Year Award," the Texas Employer Support of the Guard and Reserve (ESGR) Committee "Department of Defense Exceptional Support Award" and the Center for Policy Alternatives "Arthur S. Fleming Leadership Award" for her tireless advocacy on behalf of the people she represents. Following the 81st Legislative Session, she was chosen as one of Texas Insider's Top Ten Legislators for her work on behalf of veterans and their families and for Texas Watch's Legislative Honor Roll for her work on behalf of Texas consumers and homeowners. She is the subject of a new book written by Dr. Sharon Navarro titled, "Latina Legislator: Leticia Van de Putte and the Road to Leadership."
Nationally, Senator Van de Putte served as co-chair of the 2008 Democratic National Convention, joining the ranks of Texas women, including Barbara Jordan and Ann Richards. She has been actively involved in the National Conference of State Legislatures (NCSL), serving as President from 2006 to 2007. Senator Van de Putte is a member of the National Hispanic Caucus of State Legislators, where she served as President from 2003 to 2005.
Senator Van de Putte currently serves as Chair of the Veteran Affairs and Military Installations Committee, and serves as a member of the Senate Committees on Education, State Affairs and Business and Commerce. She is also the Chair of the Texas Senate Democratic Caucus.
We may have a new friend in Texas politics. If I get a response from her or her staff, I'll pass it on.
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Shuman 14
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Re:Texas Medal Resolution
(Date Posted:09/10/2009 12:56:53)
Maybe Texas can join Alaska and Louisiana in issueing a State Cold War Medal.
She most likely has more pull at the State level in Texas than at the National level.
(Message edited by Shuman 14 On 09/10/2009 12:59:15)
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rodevito
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RE:Texas Medal Resolution
(Date Posted:09/10/2009 13:41:03)
Just so you guys are aware, the Vietnam Veterans of America on a National Level, and the American Legion on the state level of New York, both flat out refused to support a resolution to have the Congress adopt the proposed service medal called; The Europe Defense Service medal. I was aware of the fact that the Vietnam Vet's of America has been pushing for to have the dates on the American Defense Service Medal changed from '39-'41 to include service by the Vietnam Vet's who were stationed in the U.S. for the remainder of their tours of duty upon returning from S.E. Asia. The Vietnam Vet's of America have been working with the Retired officers Association to help get the ADM's dates amended to include them. So much for the VVof A and the Legion for supporting us Cold War Vet's.
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Shuman 14
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Re:Texas Medal Resolution
(Date Posted:09/11/2009 12:17:27)
Well, it is what it is.
FYI - ROA is the Reserve Officer's Association, not the retired.
TROA was The Retired Officer's Association which changed their name to MOAA, which stands for the Military Officer's Association of America.
I can tell you on the National level, ROA passed a Resolution calling for a Cold War Service Medal to be created several years ago.
I don't know what's up with NY State. Their legislature passes a State Cold War Medal bill and their Governor vetoed it. Last I heard the legislature was going to pass another one because they don't agree with the veto.
I'm just glad I don't live there.
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JIM WELLER
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Re:Texas Medal Resolution
(Date Posted:09/11/2009 16:35:27)
The American Legion did pass a resolution supporting a Cold War medal.
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rodevito
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Re:Texas Medal Resolution
(Date Posted:09/12/2009 13:52:27)
You did not read the above carefully. The NYS Dept. of the American Legion(State Level only, Not national), refused to adopt as a resolution supporting a proposeed new armed forces medal called; The Europe Defense Service Medal. I am aware of the fact that Nationally, the Legion supports via a resolution, the Cold War Victory medal.
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Shuman 14
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Re:Texas Medal Resolution
(Date Posted:09/12/2009 14:24:53)
So they're goofy in NY State, tell us something we DIDN'T know! :-)
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JIM WELLER
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RE:Texas Medal Resolution
(Date Posted:09/13/2009 06:53:01)
I did read it carefully. I am responding to the statement, "So much for the VVof A and the Legion for supporting us Cold War Vet's." I wish and will work for more support from the American Legion, buy we are still seeing some support, such as it's National Resolution on the Cold War medal.
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"History does not entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." --Dwight D. Eisenhower
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JIM WELLER
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RE:Texas Medal Resolution
(Date Posted:09/13/2009 07:04:45)
I am glad Texas passed this resolution, but as we have discussed, our goal is a named COLD WAR medal. DOD could simply issue authorize an ARMED FORCES SERVICE MEDAL without re-striking an AMERICAN DEFENSE SERVICE MEDAL. But, that would not be a named stand alone medal either. We need to secure the Cold War's place in history. If Kosovo rated a separate named campaign medal, the Cold War certainly does. I know that our organization's goal was recognized above, but certainly worth reiterating in case someone is viewing that was not privy to prior discussions. The actions of Texas should be commended though. Obviously they support Cold War veterans, which is more than most areas of our various governments.
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"History does not entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." --Dwight D. Eisenhower
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Re:Texas Medal Resolution
(Date Posted:09/17/2009 09:33:26)
Well, I've done been dipped in shhhheeeeiiiiitt......how about that?....question....what does this TEXAS bill mean? How many more obstacles does this need? Is Texas going to have a medal for Texans? Isn't a American Defense Medal a NATIONAL thing and not just a Texas thing? I can see like Louisiana a Cold War Medal or ribbon issued by the state, but how can Texas offer a ADSM? I thought that was a National thing. Not a state thing......I am also keeping tabs on that license that Texas had put in for for veterans....it was HR 2849 or something like that. Come back someone..
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Shuman 14
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Re:Texas Medal Resolution
(Date Posted:09/17/2009 09:59:05)
LGEV,
I think you're missing the point, the Texas State Legislature sent the resolution to the US Congress advising them that the US Government needs to issue a medal to honor Cold Warriors.
It was Texas supporting a National Medal not just a State one.
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LebanonGrenadaEraVet
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Re:Texas Medal Resolution
(Date Posted:09/17/2009 10:04:42)
And how about 30 yays to 0 nays. It's about time someone listens. "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush". I concur we need a CWSM but an ADSM or NDSM would be a start. Yes, who knows whom in Texas has been pulling alot of strings. Maybe our friend from Texas by way of Buffalo??? You know whom you are. Anyone going to DC in early October? Going there for a few days. My brother is going up for business, and I'm tagging along, check out the old neighborhood and friends. Should go pay PLAV a visit, my life member post and complain about my newsletters I have yet to receive.
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Re:Texas Medal Resolution
(Date Posted:09/17/2009 10:07:39)
Thanks for the clarification Mr. Clune. I see that was done in January....that's about a long time ago. Wonder if anyone listened in congress.
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