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RE:SENATOR OBAMA ON COLD WAR MEDAL
(Date Posted:07/17/2009 06:03:04)
On the other hand...isn't this the administration that proposed having veterans use private insurance to pay for line of duty injuries?
Veterans groups irate at Obama's private insurance proposal
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/17/obama.veterans/
Yes, he backed down from this ill conceived idea...after a firestorm of criticism from the VSOs. I think my original point remains valid and I don't think it was just a political rant. President Obama has some folks advising him that thought it was OK for veterans to have to provide payment for healthcare for wounds suffered in defence of the nation. He proposed the idea...personally. That means he had some "buy-in" to it. His endorsement of this idea, out of the blue, shows his real attitude toward veterans...it revealed the real person, unlike the forced political backtrack. Sure, in April he changed his tune, but it took outrage from VSOs and public reaction across the nation to force the change. The political damage was beginning to add up. The plan he originally presented went down in flames. The fact that he ever presented the plan says a lot about his view of veterans...and perhaps the fate of a Cold War Victory/Service Medal.
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RE:SENATOR OBAMA ON COLD WAR MEDAL
(Date Posted:07/17/2009 06:42:02)
COLDWARRIOR,
You may be right, but it also shows that he is a politician and that he will bend to political pressures. He could a approve a CWSM if we could get the issue on the OBAMAMETER or have the larger VSOs push harder or NEXT election, if it would garner votes, etc. The fight is not an impossible battle.
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RE:SENATOR OBAMA ON COLD WAR MEDAL
(Date Posted:07/17/2009 10:43:16)
Hi Jim,
True enough. He is a politician and the fight is not impossible. It is disheartening to see him publicly avoid saying that we won the Cold War when he was asked a direct question (here at home)...especially in light of his alleged response to us during the campaign.
We have our work cut out for us. I will keep writing letters to my representatives. I think that one of my senators is in deep political trouble...which is an opportunity for us, one way or another. In the past, he has not backed us and I'm not even sure that any of my correspondence has made it through his screen of staffers.
We cannot turn a blind eye when our politicians say one thing (to get our support) and do another once they are actually in office. We have had enough of that for the last twenty years. It crosses the political spectrum and is damaging the nation.
Who of us wanted NAFTA or GATT, with our manufacturing base going overseas along with our jobs? Who of us wants socialized medicine? Who of us wants a privatized military (contractors - a.k.a. mercenaries) fighting our battles?
There are now kids in college that have grown up without there being a Berlin Wall. They do not know about the Cold War. They do not know that we won it. If politicians keep showing deference to the Russians so as not to offend, our kids will never know about the Cold War. We must not allow that to happen. History forgotten is history repeated. We must not allow that to happen. It's not about us. There were over 100,000,000 murdered at the hands of Communism in the last century. Trillions in treasure and millions of soldiers spent their lives (several generations worth) defending the Free World from the Evil Empire. The technology for total totalitarian control is here with us now. RFID, GPS tracking, biometrics, and weapons beyond belief are all too real and present to allow history to repeat itself with Communism/Socialism. We must not let that happen. We must pass on the torch.
Keeping the faith,
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RE:SENATOR OBAMA ON COLD WAR MEDAL
(Date Posted:07/17/2009 21:33:40)
I was quite surprised, and pleased when I discovered that many High Schools, and even some grade schools are including the Cold War in their history/social studies courses. I have had some hits on my bog from
several colleges also.
Even though the revisionist are trying to rewrite history, there are many teachers who are attempting
to bring the truth to their students.
So maybe it is just us veterans and the kids in class now that understand the why and how of the Cold War.
It is just that generation in between that seems to be the non-belivers, although there are many from our
era that do not quite get it. They lived through it and forgot just what was going on and how our military
prevailed and won the Cold War.
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RE:SENATOR OBAMA ON COLD WAR MEDAL
(Date Posted:07/18/2009 07:58:36)
What's scary is that few of my younger troops know much at all about the Cold War.
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RE:SENATOR OBAMA ON COLD WAR MEDAL
(Date Posted:07/20/2009 06:01:30)
I believe VFW Magazine did a great series on the Cold War. It was a great tool for education about the Cold War. I was hoping that they would follow up with membership for overseas Cold War veterans, but no dice. The VFW allowed veterans of Korean Defense to join prior to the award of a Korean Defense Medal, they could do the same for veterans of the Iron Curtain (European Defense). They actually recognize some of the Cold War at sea. If you served on a SLBM Deterrent Patrol and have your Boomer badge...you rate VFW membership. Why the ASW and everyone else don't rate...I don't know, but I think it is a slow process. We need to hit the VFW and American Legion Magazines with letters in preparation of the 20th Anniversary of the Berlin Wall Falling.
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Re:SENATOR OBAMA ON COLD WAR MEDAL
(Date Posted:07/20/2009 10:07:24)
Jim, they would still need to have rated campaign/service award of some kind I believe. the KDSM is a Campaign medal and rates as "War Service".
RE: "If you served on a SLBM Deterrent Patrol and have your Boomer badge...you rate VFW membership."
Here is a blatant example of what I am talking about. Jim do you know if the Boomer patrol eligibility is for anytime during Cold War or from what i believe you must still have rated the above during a period of war time to qualify.
Being in a Boomer during the gaps of so called war in the 80's etc...? If it is true that Boomer duty during this time is accepted, it is one of the BIG problems once again with foreign/ overseas criteria. This singles out Boomer patrol types as better that other similar duty.
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Re:SENATOR OBAMA ON COLD WAR MEDAL
(Date Posted:07/20/2009 13:06:35)
What I understand about these submarine patrols is that their missions were mostly classified, while under the POLAR ICE CAPS for instance, only like miles from the Soviet Union or other areas of operations sailors on regular ship duty in the Persian Gulf for instance have it in their service records or dd-214's whereas guys on submarines were held classified, so when they got off the subs, there was no indication of their whereabouts during their missions. Then they found themselves excluded from VFW. Like alot of guys that ended up in Vietnam as advisors but were excluded in the Vietnam Era dates. We had been sending advisors to Vietnam long before 1961. Submarine folks kind of were excluded in a number of campaign medals and expeditionary awards due to the complexity of their mission. This from a submariner himself as he told me the story.
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Re:SENATOR OBAMA ON COLD WAR MEDAL
(Date Posted:07/20/2009 15:27:56)
We are all impacted by the secrecy and confidentiality of our missions, this is the problem with Cold War service, public hasn't a clue and all actions were scrubbed from their discovery, other branches don't understand each others service during these eras due to the fact one hand didn't know what the other was doing intentionally, get and our Gov is not coming forth on what we did. It sucks! Boomer troops are all the deserving of recognition, but we also need to have the Gov fully review what Cold War service is. We used to say in the AF we were jealous of the Boomer guys since they might actually survive and nuke war, and we also felt sorry for them because they may live thru it. We used to say at least they were hard to be targeted. I am sure they have thoughts of us.
I happen to know a guys that were awarded the VSM that rated it by three weeks at the end of the VSM dates after training on casual status that were sent to Europe. They have ZERO connection to Vietnam, but they have also have been included in the Vets community since, so they don't know what some of us feel "not being vets", but they also have the burden of the Vietnam vet reception by civilians after the war that they had nothing to do with. They are Cold War vets that would like to see the CW Victory medal for their service but only if it is able to replace the VSM, They are reluctant support us formally since they are included already and Vietnam vets have got their respect now, but CW vets are shunned still and it is not worth the fight for them again.
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RE:SENATOR OBAMA ON COLD WAR MEDAL
(Date Posted:07/20/2009 16:29:10)
SACWARRIOR,
Did this guy serve in SEA (South East Asia)? "I happen to know a guys that were awarded the VSM that rated it by three weeks at the end of the VSM dates after training on casual status that were sent to Europe. They have ZERO connection to Vietnam, but they have also have been included in the Vets community since, so they don't know what some of us feel "not being vets", but they also have the burden of the Vietnam vet reception by civilians after the war that they had nothing to do with. They are Cold War vets that would like to see the CW Victory medal for their service but only if it is able to replace the VSM, They are reluctant support us formally since they are included already and Vietnam vets have got their respect now, but CW vets are shunned still and it is not worth the fight for them again."
Also, to answer your question on VFW eligibility, they list numerous badges, not just campaign medals and ribbons for eligibility. You don't have to have any badge, ribbon, or medal if you had IDP/HFP on an LES.
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RE:SENATOR OBAMA ON COLD WAR MEDAL
(Date Posted:07/20/2009 16:38:41)
Sorry, from VFW:
SSBN Nuclear Deterrent Patrol Breast Insignia Navy Jan. 21, 1961 - Open
I wouldn't think there were too many Boomers prior to 1961.
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Re:SENATOR OBAMA ON COLD WAR MEDAL
(Date Posted:07/20/2009 17:10:16)
Once again, Cold War Service transcends foreign/overseas deployments. Navy always had a beef with us wingnuts, but wasn't a wingnut, was a Missileman, there is a difference. In fact being responsible as a lead Team Chief with critical Readiness of 150 MEGATONS of war fighting potential myself, It might be arguable whom service was more startegically important.
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RE:SENATOR OBAMA ON COLD WAR MEDAL
(Date Posted:07/20/2009 17:17:38)
Scott,
I hear you, but even a Civil War Medal of Honor recipient was not eligible for VFW membership. They had the GAR. "FOREIGN" will never leave VFW requirements. The American Legion...that's another battle, we need to fight. Anyone that is involved in the Nuclear Deterrent mission had a huge responsibility. Your PRP briefings told you that you were expendable.
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Re:SENATOR OBAMA ON COLD WAR MEDAL
(Date Posted:07/20/2009 19:22:48)
Any club should be able to set their own criteria, I have no issue with that.
I want the stigma of Peacetime eradicated, so Cold War vets can come out the closet if you will, and know where to stand at a patriotic event. Never more do I want a CWvet to feel he is unworthy, to be turned away, to be second guessed, to be laughed at by family, to see another memorial built excluding Cold War service and not see Cold War described correctly or it chiseled as peacetime in stone. I don't want to be known as the only veteran in town that hasn't had the tax exemption extended to him. I want the Gov to declassify enough so the Cold War can be understood in it's entirety. that would make a giant difference. I want legislation for exclusive groups go the wayside, each time you create another exclusive group you make it worse and worse on those not included. Legis' for small numbers and cost are easily passed and used for political career builders. They are about to pass the Combat PTSD Bill as example, they paint it like it is pallet-able to those current to take care of our combat troops. Well, got news for you, just because the VA is behind in claims handling, doesn't mean they should override the medical field with a qualifier of Combat. PTSD is PTSD. It comes in all forms and service. Combat PTSD bill speeds up some treatment but builds a wall that can't be climbed for the bigger numbers who have the beast. The solution is to appropriate more money and docs, not package it as "lets do good for the combat guys" to just deny to others. I got the beast and can't imagine trying to file a claim right now. I would like to see a minimum base line for honorable discharged vets. Guaranteed best available emergency treatment without question.
I do think that OUR recognition for Cold War service is differently unique than that of the traditional criteria set for other service. I somewhat hoped it might come out in a way that was other that traditional medal issue. What I am worried about is 14 million (the latest total number 1945-1991) being issued a Service medal and none of which are war veterans after it is said and done. I think we can do better. My push was to see the Cold War fully officiated by our country, and to see a full medal ensemble to get it right with DOD's endorsement. They know who and what begets what, or should. I know from experience in my unit, we had standing knowledge that awards, where turned down and repackaged over and over till they would be signed off on. For us any award over an achievement needed a signature above wing level, that would have made the award public and wasn't going to happen. This wasn't right, many rated very big awards and walked away with far less worthy ones. That was the nature of Silent Service in the nuke missile field. If you were a flyboy, oh boy parking spaces and parades ado.
In my case, it may take a special campaign medal for Strategic Nuclear Forces or similar, the numbers are small. The soviets had such awards for Rocketeers.
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RE:SENATOR OBAMA ON COLD WAR MEDAL
(Date Posted:07/24/2009 06:30:36)
I see a CWSM that would be equal to a GWOT-SM. But I like to tell you a story of another medal. The Armed Forces Service Medal (AFSM) was initially awarded to veterans of the Balkans (operations in the Former Yugoslavia). We were initially denied the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal. We called the AFSM, the Clinton Cop medal. It did not qualify as a veteran qualifying medal. It was also awarded for Hatti. Recently, this medal has been upgraded to a medal qualifying for veterans status. The moral of the story is things evolve. Let's aim for the Cold War Service Medal as the first stage of our fight.
All vets deserve proper health care. I don't understand how we can even begin talking about national health care, when we can't even take care of out veterans.
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Re:SENATOR OBAMA ON COLD WAR MEDAL
(Date Posted:08/05/2009 07:53:51)
Things were slow here at work for a change so I spent the better part of yesterday afternoon writing yet another snail-mail letter to President Obama politely asking him to please consider signing an executive order authorizing the Cold War Medal as an "official" military service medal. I also took the time to contact him via the White House website to send him the same letter.
I also went on the websites of ABC News, CBS News, and NBC News to suggest that they do a story on the Cold War since the 20th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall is this year. Of course I also mentioned the fact that Cold War vets still have not been properly recognized for their servive and have been fighting for 15 years to have the Cold War Medal made "official". I know it's a long shot but any press we can get can only help our cause.
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RE:SENATOR OBAMA ON COLD WAR MEDAL
(Date Posted:08/05/2009 14:56:18)
Well done, John. I think that a shot in the dark might just make it happen one day. We certainly are not going to get anything done without trying. Thank you for your efforts.
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RE:SENATOR OBAMA ON COLD WAR MEDAL
(Date Posted:08/06/2009 20:13:55)
Too bad we could not have Sean Hannity interested in bringing about our cause. He could expose Obama and these other leaders who are opposed to our recognition.
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RE:SENATOR OBAMA ON COLD WAR MEDAL
(Date Posted:08/07/2009 06:24:42)
A lot of those leaders are also on the other side of the aisle my friend. I don't remember George Bush, during his 8 years in office, doing anything for our cause. At least Obama has taken the time to respond and acknowledge the issue of the Cold War Medal.
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RE:SENATOR OBAMA ON COLD WAR MEDAL
(Date Posted:08/08/2009 00:04:10)
In fact it was the Bush adminstration that denied us our medal and brought forth the "certificate"
And the 2003 decesion to deny catagory 8 their veterans benefits.
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RE:SENATOR OBAMA ON COLD WAR MEDAL
(Date Posted:08/08/2009 10:56:26)
Jerry, I believe you're on point. If my foggy memory serves me correctly, the Cold War Certificate was set up for issue by William Cohen when he was SECDEF. The certificate issue may have been originally initiated in the latter months of the Clinton Admin. and flowed over into Bush's first term, then signed by Rumsfeld. ( I think).
Either way, I'm fairly sure, we've been given shaft by whom ever and several........ too many times.
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Re:SENATOR OBAMA ON COLD WAR MEDAL
(Date Posted:08/09/2009 08:05:35)
Republican, William Cohen served as SecDef (1997–2001) under President Bill Clinton. My Cold War Certificate bears his signature (facsimile).
So, while G.W. Bush and Donald Rumpswab did deny us the Cold War Medal, the process was a continuation of Bill Clinton's policy. Now, B.H. Obama is still continuing the Bill Clinton policy of denying a Cold War Medal.
I don't think it is a partisan issue so much as it is an issue with the DoD bureaucracy and senior military officers. I think that the politicians are bowing to the advice they are receiving from those quarters. I could be wrong, but that seems to be the case in my opinion.
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RE:SENATOR OBAMA ON COLD WAR MEDAL
(Date Posted:08/09/2009 12:25:05)
Well Coldwarrior who really knows where the opposition is coming from, I sure don't. Some continue to think perhaps DoD and the Doctor, but like you, I tend to suspect it may becoming from current duty and retired high ranking officers, which may well include some some politicians who are retired military officers, not all, but some who are in a position to squelch legislation for The Medal. I believe I know who, but will not mention a name, because I don't know for a certainty. Sometimes, I get the feeling it's all about a perception of brothers in arms, who is entitled and who is not in certain opinions, as well, as protecting ones heroic legacy. I'm just speculating, but I do know some combat vets and they are pretty jealous about their service and who qualifies or not. That's their position and privilege, I guess. It's the same old story, efficacy or not, if you don't have a campaign medal, your not viewed as a wortwhile veteran, certainly not for some form of VA health services, We were just government employees in uniform, you know like the guard at your local social security office or a public building somewhere.
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RE:SENATOR OBAMA ON COLD WAR MEDAL
(Date Posted:08/09/2009 16:22:46)
Unfortunately, I think the D.O.D. thinks only about the here and now. It will take the leadership of an individual to bust or push the system. Maybe some future Cold Warrior. Who knows? I look at the Korean Defense Service Medal and how it was pushed through. We are going to have to keep looking for someone to champion our cause.
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