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JIM WELLER
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RE:Here is the press release
(Date Posted:11/05/2009 17:43:36)
OUTSTANDING!!!! Thank you. Know we need to press our Senators to support this and our U.S. Representatives to write a similar bill AND to Sec. Gates to just do the right thing and start the process immediately.
(Message edited by JIM WELLER On 11/05/2009 18:17:25)
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"History does not entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." --Dwight D. Eisenhower
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Re:Here is the press release
(Date Posted:11/05/2009 18:13:45)
Jerry,
Great news buddy, and kudos especially to Senator Snowe and her staff for getting the ball rolling. Looks like the Senate bill will be off to a very nice start bi-partisan too, with Senator Snowe getting 3 Democrat senators to co-sponsor the bill. Fabulous! Might even sway Sec. Gates a little bit in the process of compiling his answer to the DoD Question contest they conducted a little while ago (with the Cold War Medal question being numero uno at 84.1%, crushing the other 98 questions).
On the down side, the two-year minimum service time (or 30-day deployment) requirement that is stipulated in the bill will no doubt be a great dissapointment for the reservist folks who didn't do a tour with the regulars before joining the reserve establishment.
USMC_Kinda_Guy
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JIM WELLER
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RE:Here is the press release
(Date Posted:11/05/2009 18:19:50)
DoD's usual medal standard is 30 days of consecutive AD or 60 days non-consecutive. It will probably evolve into that standard.
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"History does not entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." --Dwight D. Eisenhower
"PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH !!"
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RE:Here is the press release
(Date Posted:11/06/2009 04:58:23)
Good Job!!!!!
See the Bill Below
Denton Aylor
S.2743
Title: A bill to amend title 10, United States Code, to provide for the award of a military service medal to members of the Armed Forces who served honorably during the Cold War, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Snowe, Olympia J. [ME] (introduced 11/5/2009) Cosponsors (3)
Latest Major Action: 11/5/2009 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Armed Services.
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Re:Here is the press release
(Date Posted:11/06/2009 10:13:05)
With 4 U.S. Senators on board as sponsors/cosponsors, the Cold War Medal Act of 2009 is certainly off to a far better start than previous Cold War medal bills; the 2007 version only garnered 5 senators during the entire 2 year period, so having 4 right out of the gate is fabulous. I am assuming that Senate cosponsors of the previous Congress' Cold War medal efforts - Susan Collins (R - ME) and Chuck Schumer (D - NY) - will quickly become cosponsors again. (Too bad that Hilary Clinton's has the State Dept helm, or we'd have yet another cosponsor.
Now we just need some companion legislation out of the U.S. House, along with some bill numbers to reference for both bills, and we'll be ready to rock-n-roll. I believe that this year's special status, being the 20th anniversery of the fall of the wall, will be particularly helpful to our cause.
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Re:Here is the press release
(Date Posted:11/06/2009 10:24:24)
Great news Jerry....thanks for sharing. I can't wait until we have a bill number to reference so I can start harrassing the you-know-what out of my two Senators!
John
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Re:Here is the press release
(Date Posted:11/06/2009 11:46:36)
Emailed Chambliss and Isakson here in Georgia.
Will also forward intel to other vets in my sphere of infulence.
Also posted on my Facebook page / VF124 squad page on facebook.
After a long hibernation, BURL is back.
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RE:Here is the press release
(Date Posted:11/06/2009 12:21:55)
Thanks for the update. I have made my request to the two Illinois Senators (Burris & Durbin).
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Reply To USMC%5FKinda%5FGuy
(Date Posted:11/06/2009 12:55:26)
Reply to USMC_Kinda_Guy (11/05/2009 18:13:45)
Jerry,
Great news buddy, and kudos especially to Senator Snowe and her staff for getting the ball rolling. Looks like the Senate bill will be off to a very nice start bi-partisan too, with Senator Snowe getting 3 Democrat senators to co-sponsor the bill. Fabulous! Might even sway Sec. Gates a little bit in the process of compiling his answer to the DoD Question contest they conducted a little while ago (with the Cold War Medal question being numero uno at 84.1%, crushing the other 98 questions).
On the down side, the two-year minimum service time (or 30-day deployment) requirement that is stipulated in the bill will no doubt be a great dissapointment for the reservist folks who didn't do a tour with the regulars before joining the reserve establishment.
USMC_Kinda_Guy Yep that cuts me out. None of the previous Cold War Medal Bills had the 2 year active duty requirements, just completion of their initial Service obligation which ensured draftees (2 years) and Reservists and Guardsmen (4 or 6 years drilling) were also awarded the medal. If we had input at Senator's Snowe's office, why didn't we address this issue during the drafting of the Bill?
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RE:Here is the press release
(Date Posted:11/06/2009 14:29:53)
Count me in also as one who will be left out. 15 good years in the TNARNG and U.S. Army Reserves and no joy. That will be good for about half that should qualify. 1971-77 TNARNG, 84-85 TNARNG, 85-93 U.S. Army Reserves + 3 years in IRR. Oh, well....glad many that deserve it might get recognized.
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JIM WELLER
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RE:Here is the press release
(Date Posted:11/06/2009 15:47:56)
Push your local congressmen to submit a Cold War Service Medal bill in the House. Have the standard 30 days of continuous AD or 60 days non-continuous in that draft and it will be worked out in conference. Still hoping that Sec. Gates acts on the original suggestion of congress before this even goes to the floor.
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"History does not entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." --Dwight D. Eisenhower
"PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH !!"
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Re:Here is the press release
(Date Posted:11/06/2009 16:09:44)
Here's a good suggestion on how to get the word out to fellow vets. If you go on the American Legion website you can search for local legion posts within 10, 20, 50, or 100 miles of whatever city you type in. It will then give you all the contact info for these local posts. Many have an email contact for the local post commander or adjutant.
I just sent emails to every legion post within a 50 mile radius of where I live asking that they please pass the word to their members and to encourage them to contact their elected officials. Many of these Legion Vets will qualify for the medal so hopefully we can get as many on board as possible.
John
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Reply To Ol%20Duke
(Date Posted:11/06/2009 16:22:13)
Reply to Ol Duke (11/06/2009 14:29:53)
Count me in also as one who will be left out. 15 good years in the TNARNG and U.S. Army Reserves and no joy. That will be good for about half that should qualify. 1971-77 TNARNG, 84-85 TNARNG, 85-93 U.S. Army Reserves + 3 years in IRR. Oh, well....glad many that deserve it might get recognized. Again I'll ask, we, the ACWV, were working so close with the Senator's office on this Bill, how did we miss the exclusion of Guardsmen and Reservists? None of Hillary's bills had this requirement, if you qualified for the Cold War Service Certificate with your Military Service then you qualified for the previous bills' medal. I feel totally let down by this. 
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Reply To JIM%20WELLER
(Date Posted:11/06/2009 16:25:45)
Reply to JIM WELLER (11/06/2009 15:47:56)
Push your local congressmen to submit a Cold War Service Medal bill in the House. Have the standard 30 days of continuous AD or 60 days non-continuous in that draft and it will be worked out in conference. Still hoping that Sec. Gates acts on the original suggestion of congress before this even goes to the floor. If we were/are in so tight with Senator Snowe's office we shouldn't have and to change anything, it should have been in the original drafting of the bill. Who dropped the ball on this?
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RE:Here is the press release
(Date Posted:11/07/2009 04:04:20)
Well gang, it was a hard battle to get it done this way. A lot of resistance in the other camps. I tried for 18 months and that was a no-go. Sorry did what I could but it seemed like this or nothing. Emails and phone calls back and
forth.
We knew that a lot would be disappointed, I will take my thirty lashes.
Maybe someone else can convince their senator to make an amendment to change it. Give it a shot, all they can do is say no.
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RE:Here is the press release
(Date Posted:11/07/2009 12:19:19)
WE are getting press on this. AP picked it up and USA Today, press releases from Sen. Webb, Sen. Lincoln, Sen. Landrieu all in their local papers.
So lets all send copies of the press release to your local papers, tv, radio stations.
Jerry
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RE:Here is the press release
(Date Posted:11/07/2009 12:47:38)
If you live in the below states, write your Senator and reference the the below Cold War Medal bill(s) they have previously Co-Sponsored. If they Co-Sponsored a Cold War Bill in the past then hopefully they will Co-Sponsor S.2743 - the new Cold War Medal bill.
RE: List of 12 Senators who have supported the enactment of the medal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War_Victory_Medal* It is about half way down the page
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Mark Pryor |
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Dick Durbin |
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S.2743 | *David Vitter Co-Sponsored H.R. 3388 as Congressman from Louisiana's 1st district and is currently a US Senator from Louisiana. *Lindsey Graham Co-Sponsored H.R.2165 as Congressman from South Carolina's 3rd district and is currently a US Senator from South Carolina. -Jim
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Reply To Jerald%20Terwilliger
(Date Posted:11/07/2009 13:45:19)
Reply to Jerald Terwilliger (11/07/2009 04:04:20)
Well gang, it was a hard battle to get it done this way. A lot of resistance in the other camps. I tried for 18 months and that was a no-go. Sorry did what I could but it seemed like this or nothing. Emails and phone calls back and
forth.
We knew that a lot would be disappointed, I will take my thirty lashes.
Maybe someone else can convince their senator to make an amendment to change it. Give it a shot, all they can do is say no.
So you knew this was coming? Since the start of this movement back when we were all in the CWVA and then when we broke away into the ACWV, the leadership has always said that we were fighting for a medal for ALL Cold Warriors, Active Duty, Guard, Reserve... ...and now this. They divided us and so now Guardsmen and Reservists get screwed. This isn't a victory, this is a defeat. Did you think to consult the membership and advise us that Senator Snowe was going to drop the Reservists and Guardsmen? So the last eight years I have spent writing letters to newspapers and politicians on behalf of the CWVA and ACWV, blogging about this on every military related sight I could find on the web has been for nothing, so my own group can forget about me and all the other Reservist and Guardsmen?
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Re:Here is the press release
(Date Posted:11/08/2009 07:51:04)
Jerry,
I didn't see any articles about this in USA TODAY; I looked at the weekend (Fri/Sat/Sun) edition, but didn't see it. Do you (or anyone) know if it was in the Thursday edition or will it be in the Monday edition?
USMC_Kinda_Guy
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JIM WELLER
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RE:Here is the press release
(Date Posted:11/08/2009 17:52:19)
Let's get behind this. I agree that a Cold War Service Medal should not have any different requirement than the current Global War On Terrorism Medal, which I see as a direct corresponding type of award. This legislation is only a start. The House needs to act. Obama needs to sign it. Fire out letters to those that can modify, not kill it. This includes Sec. Gates. Even after it is approved, it can be modified, as awards have in the past. I don't want to leave any Cold Warrior behind. But you eat an elephant one bite at a time.
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"History does not entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." --Dwight D. Eisenhower
"PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH !!"
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RE:Here is the press release
(Date Posted:11/09/2009 06:17:42)
Great news!!!
To My Brothers and Sisters in the Guard and Reserve,
I will keep up the fight. Your efforts in helping Us, wont go unrewarded. Before the ink is even dried, I am already writing to have this modified.
Even though I have hit stone wall after stone wall in getting My two Sen from Cali on board with this. I will do everything I can to get this modified.
With today being the 20th Anniversary, My eyes and ears are pointed at Our Nations Capital, where I hope to hear that the Commander and Chief has done the right thing and recognized The Cold War Veterans, ALL of us.
Should the Commander and Chief not do the right thing, then I will double My efforts in doing what I can to get this modified.
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Re:Here is the press release
(Date Posted:11/09/2009 17:13:47)
Hey folks its a shame the KDVA is in morning they could have pointed our that they had to keep fighting to include folks after the medal was granted, those members first excluded must have vented yet they rallied and as the KDVA all pushed to include as many members they could get for the award nothing is perfect from the start and most all needs following work to be done.
I was in the { reserves } and I resent the blanket coverage as well those of you acting like this was in place prior Dr. Tims,Sean and Jerry pushed,sweated and fought for all working to get a medal bill to the table as well warned about the plight of KDVA having to keep the battle going from the start of this group oh and remember VM how well did that work ?
Venting is one thing to keep up accusing and saying this was a plan of action from the start even after you were warned about the politics as well getting the foot in the door and that this could happen just trying to get the foot in the door is IMO your being off course, I have spent from April getting our group on newsvine and more into the public eye its not done over night and that pales compared to what Frank T,Sean,Jerry,Paul & Dr.Bob as well others is this how you express thanks ?
It takes alot of hard work getting support from folks while you compeating against other groups Jerry has spent near three years getting Senator Snowe to offer this after the last bill died its not perfect yet its alot freaking better than a BIG FAT ZERO !
I am so glad you folks have made the choice to be supportive and push forward on your own while stepping on the toes of those who kept it going and brought life to it again how to say thanks and we are with you for the long haul yup form your own group and then what come to these folks and ask for support and I am sure the Congress & Senate members shall be willing to jump right on board also seeing how supportive your being ?
Well I wonder if those folks that busted their ass off in your behalf did the best they could truly earned being dumped on you really belive that, as well how to say thanks to the Congress & Senate members who are being supportive to give this life once more do you know how much you look like the spoiled child stomping their foot rather than the adult moving on to resolve the issues ?
I am having no second thoughts I will stand behind Dr.Tim, Dr.Bob,Paul, Jerry, C.C. Sean and whoever else stands with them to work on getting a more inclusive award not pissing on them, that solves nothing and gets us nowhere next get your venting done and over with here in the forum or please bring it out from the public eye unless you goal is to take a huge dump on this bill !
This forum has a contact {e-mail} other than airing the dirty laundry contact me its not like I'm doing anything important I have time to listen to the gripes, I must warn you if it just to vent blow of steam fine if its just personal attacks on members this has my clams steamed as it is and I know how to delete !
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RE:Here is the press release
(Date Posted:11/09/2009 18:16:56)
I second most of what PNV just posted.
LebanonGrenadaEraVet,
Nobody is forgetting our reservists in this organization. Nor is our leadership paid so this forum is not critical to their survival, they are here because they believe in our cause. And I disagree that medal criteria can not change. As I mentioned before, the National Defense Medal was given out to only active duty troops during Korea and Vietnam, but was awarded to the reserve components during SWA (Kuwait) and the GWOT. Also the Vietnam Service Medal criteria was expanded over the years, Veterans of the Balkans were originally denied the AFEM and then were awarded it, etc. I have been associated with other military operations, but didn't make the cut of the criteria for a medal due to service length or geographical location. And I have been on the reverse, I qualified for an Iraq Campaign Medal, but many of my troops in Kuwait that busted their ass working with vast amounts of explosives, wore full chemical gear during missile attacks, etc didn't rate. I'll keep fighting for them as the Thailand veterans were initially denied the Vietnam Service Medal, but are now eligible.
Just don't strike out at your fellow Cold War veterans out of misplaced anger.
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"History does not entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." --Dwight D. Eisenhower
"PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH !!"
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