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Jerald Terwilliger
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(Date Posted:10/22/2009 15:02:31)

I talked today with Senator Snowe's National Security Advisor.

He told me that Senator Snowe is ready to issue a bill for the Cold War Medal. He also told me that he has
had discussion with staff members of several other senators who are willing to be cosponsors.

I made a suggestion that she bring forth the bill on Nov. 9 in conjunction with the fall of the Berlin Wall, he
said that makes sense and he would see what Senator Snowe thinks.

He will get me the bill number as soon as it is issued, and I will let you all know immediately.

So sharpen you pens and pencils and loosen up those typing fingers. Get ready to bombard both your senators
ask them to cosponsor and vote for passage.

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Re:Good News
(Date Posted:10/22/2009 16:54:23)

Excellent!

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Re:Good News
(Date Posted:10/22/2009 17:02:41)

OUTSTANDING!!! Thanks Jerry.

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Re:Good News
(Date Posted:10/22/2009 17:13:29)

Jerry,
You da man! Nice job buddy.
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Re:Good News
(Date Posted:10/22/2009 19:11:23)

 That's the best news I've heard in weeks Jerry. Thanks for your hard work!

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RE:Good News
(Date Posted:10/22/2009 22:14:07)

Jerry

I don't mean to spoil your celebration here but you seem to have missed the primary objective.  The objective is to get to Gates before he gives his answer to the question on the Cold War Medal.  Is Sen Snowe willing to discuss it with him?  It is quite likely that he will give his response prior to Nov 9th.  Again, if he comes out against the medal, it really doesn't matter what bill is introduced.  It will not go anywhere.  Finally, I'm not sure why we keep repeating the unsuccessful tactic of the past.  None of the numerous separate bills have gone anywhere.  It needs to be in the wording of the NDAA when it is introduced early next year in both the House and Senate.  Is her National Security Advisor going to try to get the language into the NDAA for 2011?
 
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RE:Good News
(Date Posted:10/23/2009 00:25:19)

I am working on the NDAA 2011 that will take a bit more pushing and back scratching.

It has been written into the NDAA in the past, only to get stripped out in the Senate/House committee meetings.
In fact the "certificate" came about because Dod did not want to approve the medal.

We do the best we can as we can when and how we can. If you can arrange a meeting with DoD staff let us
know and we will be there with bells on -oh wait, would that come under the "don't ask, don't tell?"

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Re:Good News
(Date Posted:10/23/2009 07:08:40)

Jerry,

While a face-to-face would be great (though extremely unlikely, due to the fact that we are not an official VSO), I believe that DBMN was referring to your contact efforts via FAXes to the SECDEF's office and to one of the Under Secretaries (P&R? or something). Did the FAXes of that very nice justification letter of yours get sent to SECDEF and to that UnderSecretary, either directly by you or (better yet) by someone on Senator Snowe's staff?

DBMN is certainly correct that the quickest, easiest, and surest way to get the Cold War Medal is to get Dr. Gates to sign off on it, with President Obama consequently issuing an Executive Order to create one. No muss, no fuss.

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RE:Good News
(Date Posted:10/23/2009 15:20:34)

I'm for a multi prong attack plan.  We still have to press the legislative process, even if just keeps it on DOD's radar or puts it back on Obama's radar.  To turn down the Cold War Service Medal on the 20th Anniversary of the Fall of the Berlin Wall, could bring negative press to this administration.  We need to get this issue onto the VSO's radar.  I'm writing letters to the editor of VFW and American Legion Magazines.  It is ripe to write them with the 20th Anniversary.  Thank them for their articles on the Cold War and bring up the medal issue.

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Re:Good News
(Date Posted:10/24/2009 07:29:51)

I agree with the mulit-prong attack, however, I do believe, and contrary to the "ART OF WAR" by  SUN TZU we should not give the enemy an "out" and totally envelope them.  Who cares if they fight to the death as long as we win?

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RE:Good News
(Date Posted:10/25/2009 00:37:53)

USMC

I sent them, and have had no reply yet. I asked Sen. Snowe's office yesterday if they had had any contact with
DoD or Sec. Def., was late afternoon so have not yet heard back.

That might be one of those things her office would not be willing to share with me; just like they could not tell
me what other senators were lined up to cosponsor.

Jerry

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Re:Good News
(Date Posted:10/25/2009 05:25:21)

You did a good job with this, Jerry.  But I still think that unless you have the VFW and the Legion pushing Gates for his support for this CWSM, the DoD will chop this CWSM off at Senator Snowe's ankles, if it gets into the Senate for a vote.  What about some thoughts on asking Gates if we agree to pay for this medal, and see if he approves of it then.
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Re:Good News
(Date Posted:10/25/2009 09:23:58)

Just a thought but rodevito is right it might be the only way to get this medal approved, Jerry the link you posted the other day was very interesting and should be considered if possible or atleast let it be know that it is an option. http://www.americanwarlibrary.com/retroactive/retro.htm#lst  I know most don't agree with paying for your medal but if thats what it would take to get the recogniton I'll pay for mine. Jerry I just want to say once again thanks for all your hard work and your efforts it trying to get this medal passed and approved, even if it doesn't happen thank you.
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Re:Good News
(Date Posted:10/25/2009 10:01:37)

U.S. troop funds diverted to pet projects

Study finds $2.6 billion taken from guns and ammunition

By Shaun Waterman THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Senators diverted $2.6 billion in funds in a defense spending bill to pet projects largely at the expense of accounts that pay for fuel, ammunition and training for U.S. troops, including those fighting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to an analysis.

Among the 778 such projects, known as earmarks, packed into the bill: $25 million for a new World War II museum at the University of New Orleans and $20 million to launch an educational institute named after the late Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, Massachusetts Democrat.

While earmarks are hardly new in Washington, "in 30 years on Capitol Hill, I never saw Congress mangle the defense budget as badly as this year," said Winslow Wheeler, a former Senate staffer who worked on defense funding and oversight for both Republicans and Democrats. He is now a senior fellow at the Center for Defense Information, an independent research organization.

Sen. Tom Coburn, Oklahoma Republican, called the transfer of funds from Pentagon operations and maintenance "a disgrace."

"The Senate is putting favorable headlines back home above our men and women fighting on the front lines," he said in a statement.

Mr. Wheeler, who conducted the study, compared the Obama administration's requests for funds with the $636 billion spending bill that the Senate passed. He discovered that senators added $2.6 billion in pet projects while spending $4 billion less than the administration requested for fiscal 2010, which began Oct. 1.

Mr. Wheeler said that senators took most of the cash for the projects from the "operations and maintenance" or O&M accounts.

"These are the accounts that pay for troop training, repairs, spares and supplies for vehicles, weapons, ships and planes, food and fuel," Mr. Wheeler said.

Raiding those accounts to fund big-ticket projects the military does not want, but that benefit senators' home states or campaign contributors, amounts to "rancid gluttony," he said.

The administration's budget requested $156 billion for the regular O&M account and $81 billion for O&M for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The bill passed by the Senate cut $2.4 billion from the regular account and $655 million from the war O&M fund.

Senate appropriators insisted that the O&M accounts, despite the cuts, do not shortchange the troops.

"The operation and maintenance title is fully funded," Appropriations Committee Chairman Daniel K. Inouye, Hawaii Democrat, said during the debate on the bill. "There is no shortage. ... The committee is deeply concerned that the critical operational needs of our soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines are met with the finest equipment available."

Money for the Kennedy Institute was inserted by Mr. Inouye and Sen. John Kerry, Massachusetts Democrat. Sen. Mary L. Landrieu, Louisiana Democrat, and Sen. David Vitter, Louisiana Republican, sought the funding for the World War II museum.

Whitney Smith, a spokesman for Mr. Kerry, said the earmark was "a worthy investment."

"Sen. Kennedy served on the Armed Services Committee for 27 years, where he fought to deliver top-of-the-line body armor and armored Humvees to protect our troops and save lives. Educating Americans about these battles is a core mission for the Edward M. Kennedy Institute, which showcases one senator's ability to make a difference," Mr. Smith wrote in an e-mail. "This funding will help the Edward M. Kennedy Institute become one the nation's pre-eminent civic educational institutions, and Sen. Kerry is proud to have worked with Chairman Inouye to make it possible."

Mrs. Landrieu said she was "proud to fight" for money for the World War II museum, which is not just a "monument to the brave men and women who served during World War II," but also "a constant reminder to future generations about the tremendous sacrifice of millions of Americans." She added that the earmarked funds "will help to increase tourism to New Orleans."

Beyond those two earmarks, the largest in the Senate bill are:

- $20 million for Humvee maintenance at an Army National Guard installation in Maine, sponsored by Sens. Susan Collins and Olympia J. Snowe, Maine Republicans. The senators said cuts in the maintenance program proposed by the administration would result in the "layoff of 175 employees in a region already suffering" from the recession.

- $20 million for the Maui Space Surveillance System in Hawaii, requested by Mr. Inouye.

$25 million inserted by Mr. Inouye for the Hawaii Federal Health Care Network. Mr. Inouye's Web site says the health care program "supports applied research, development and deployment of technology to improve access and the quality of care to service members, military families and impacted communities."

Laura Peterson, of Taxpayers for Common Sense, a nonpartisan spending watchdog, told The Washington Times, "Earmarks like these take money away from other defense programs that the Defense Department actually wants. While military health care is certainly a worthwhile venture, it's hard to see how a program located in Hawaii that openly favors Hawaii-based industries guarantees [the Department of Defense] the best value for such an exorbitant price tag."

Mr. Inouye had a total of 35 earmarks worth more than $206 million in the final bill, and the ranking Republican on the committee, Sen. Thad Cochran of Mississippi, sponsored 48 worth $216 million.

Mr. Cochran defended earmarking as part of Congress' responsibility to direct government spending.

"I am not ready to cede the power of the purse to any administration," he told The Times in an e-mail. "It is vested by the Constitution in the Congress." He added that appropriators had "reviewed the budget request very carefully, conducted public hearings and reported the appropriation bills that the committee thinks will serve the public interest."

In addition to the $2.6 billion in earmarks, the bill includes $2.5 billion for 10 Boeing C-17 cargo planes that the military says it does not need, and $1.7 billion for an extra DDG-51 destroyer not requested in the Pentagon's budget proposal.

Mr. Coburn mounted a rear-guard action on the Senate floor to try to restore some of the money to its original purpose. One proposed amendment restored $100 million to the accounts by correcting the economic projections used in the bill to estimate future costs. That passed, but other amendments to prevent the use of O&M money to fund earmarks were soundly defeated.

Mr. Wheeler said senators had raided O&M accounts to pay for narrowly targeted projects in every budget since 2002, with dire results for troops on the front lines.

"Air Force and Navy combat pilots training to deploy are getting about half of the flying hours they got at the end of the Vietnam War," he wrote in his analysis. "Army tank crews get less in tank training today than they did during the low-readiness Clinton years."

Mr. Wheeler told The Times that the figures were drawn from the Pentagon's budget justification.

Mr. Coburn said in May that the Navy had been forced to curtail at-sea training and flying because of a shortfall in 2009 O&M funds.

The White House Office of Management and Budget has called on lawmakers to reverse the cuts.

"These reductions would hurt force readiness and increase stress on military people and equipment," the agency said.

The House approved its version of the bill in July. Ms. Peterson said that lawmakers still could restore the funding in the conference that reconciles the two versions of the bill.

The conference "presents a final opportunity for Congress to take their hands out of the cookie jar and put some dough where it's really needed - protecting our fighting men and women," she said.


http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct....

Quite frankly, as should be readily apparent from the preceding article, the actual cost of a medal has nothing to do with DoD issuing a Cold War Medal, though the cost of possible benefits that might be associated with a medal might be a consideration. Actual medal costs - about $30 million (CBO) or $10 million (based on KDSM participation rates), are not even a drop in the bucket in DoD terms. It could give a crap if we offer to pay the paltry costs for a piece of metal and a scrap of cloth. The sooner we disengage possible veterans benefits from the issuance of a Cold War Medal, the sooner DoD will get on board. Every military medal and/or ribbon does NOT infer veteran benefits, so it is utterly unreasonable for us to insist that this be the case for a CWSM/CWVM.

Just my thoughts on this issue.

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RE:Good News
(Date Posted:10/26/2009 06:01:35)

http://americancoldwarvets.aimoo.com/Cold-War-Medal/Would-you-pay-for-your-own-medal-2-1338968.html

Look back at a previous survey we conducted and most would pay for their medal. Just because we would, the question is should we. The approval Robert should be without condition of recipients buying their own. If approved, most would and as I answered the poll, I would apply for what is due and then buy my own up front.

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Re:Good News
(Date Posted:10/26/2009 07:52:15)

I, like many cold war veterans recieved the AFEM which intitles me to many VA benefits. Many vets did not recieve any medals and are still entitled to some VA benefits. It is my feeling, that all that honerably served our country at any time. should recieve the same benefits. We had no control over starting a war with any one. We were still there to protect our country. I would be willing to pay for my own CWVM or CWSM. alltho, I feel I have already paid.
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RE:Good News
(Date Posted:10/26/2009 10:04:10)

Jerry Thank You for being persistant!

I know that you mentioned that Senator Snowe's National Security Advisor siad that   "he also told me that he has had discussion with staff members of several other senators who are willing to be cosponsors."

Please forward the below Senators CWSM records to Senator Snowe's National Security Advisor showing him the past cosponship of 10 current Senators. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War_Victory_Medal#Bills_in_the_United_States_Senate

Senator 106th Congress
(1999-2000)
107th Congress
(2001-2002)
108th Congress
(2003-2004)
109th Congress
(2005-2006)
110th Congress
(2007-2008)
Susan Collins(ME)         S.1097 S.AMDT. 2163 to H.R.1585
Dick Durbin(IL)     S.1841 S.1351    
Lindsey Graham(SD)*   H.R.2165        
Kay Bailey Hutchison(TX) S.AMDT.474 to S.1059          
Tim Johnson(SD)       S.1351    
Mary Landrieu(LA)         S.1763  
Blanche Lincoln(AR)     S.1841 S.1351 S.1763 S.AMDT. 2163 to H.R.1585
Mark Pryor(AR)     S.1841      
Chuck Schumer(NY)           S.1097
Olympia Snowe(ME)         S.1763 S.1097
David Vitter(LA)*     H.R.3388      
*David Vitter Co-Sponsored H.R. 3388 as Congressman from Louisiana's 1st district and is currently a US Senator from Louisiana.
*Lindsey Graham Co-Sponsored H.R.2165 as Congressman from South Carolina's 3rd district and is currently a US Senator from South Carolina.



If it helps please mention the Congressman CWSM records to Senator Snowe's National Security Advisor showing him the past cosponship of 32 current Congressman here: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War_Victory_Medal#Bills_in_the_U.S._House_of_Representatives



Also if it helps please mention that current cabinet members have supported creating the Cold War Service Medal and proclaimed May 1st Cold War Victory Day:

·       Secretary of State Hilary Clinton [as a NY Senator] Sponsored creating the Cold War Service Medal:

    • 110th Congress : S.AMDT. 2163 to H.R.1585, S.1097 and S.1763
    • 109th Congress : S.AMDT.4212 to S.2766 and S.1351
    • 108th Congress : S.1841          

·       Secretary of Transportation Ray LaHood [as a Illinois Congressman] Co-Sponsored creating the Cold War Service Medal:

    • 107th Congress: H.R.2165

·       Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius [as the Governor of Kansas] has proclaimed May 1st 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009 Cold War Victory Day                        
                                 

·       Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano [as the Governor of Arizona] has  proclaimed  May 1st 2004 and 2006 Cold War Victory Day

 

Lastly that the  Louisiana Army and Air National Guard authorizaes the CW Medal and the Alaska Army and Air National Guard authorizaes the CW Ribbon on Uniforms


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RE:Good News
(Date Posted:10/26/2009 16:17:48)

Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano [as the Governor of Arizona] has  proclaimed  May 1st 2004 and 2006 Cold War Victory Day....

Here is a thought...How about we get Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano to issue a Cold War Service Medal to the Coast Guard?  Might push DOD to act.

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Re:Good News
(Date Posted:10/26/2009 16:54:20)

Jim,
Now that would be a real kicker! Very interesting idea.

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RE:Good News
(Date Posted:10/27/2009 14:10:02)

Great Idea!

Here are the declarations from Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano [as the Governor of Arizona]

2004 http://www.coldwarveterans.com/arizona_victory_day_2006.htm
2006 http://www.coldwarveterans.com/arizona_victory_day.htm

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Reply To JIM%20WELLER
(Date Posted:10/28/2009 11:15:54)

Reply to JIM WELLER (10/26/2009 17:17:48)

Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano [as the Governor of Arizona] has  proclaimed  May 1st 2004 and 2006 Cold War Victory Day....

Here is a thought...How about we get Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano to issue a Cold War Service Medal to the Coast Guard?  Might push DOD to act.


Secretary of Transportation Ray LaHood [as a Illinois Congressman] Co-Sponsored creating the Cold War Service Medal: 107th Congress: H.R.2165

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It might be a better idea to have Secretary LaHood issue the medal than Secretary Napolitano as the USCG operated under DoT control during the entire Cold War, not DHS which is a Post-911 creation.

Just my two cents.

Good idea either way.

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RE:Good News
(Date Posted:10/28/2009 15:41:29)

JOE,
I would agree, but the Coast Guard is currently under DHS.  But, DOT might as well be petitioned, too.  It certainly can't hurt.  Good point about Sec. LaHood

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NDAA 2002 - FACT


The NDAA 2002 was passed by congress October 2001 signed into Law Dec. 28 2001, In the NDAA that was approved by both houses, signed into law by the President, was the Sense of Congress to authorize the Campaign Medal for service in the Cold War.

NATIONAL DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION ACT FOR FISCAL YEAR 2002

115 STAT. 1118 PUBLIC LAW 107–107—DEC. 28, 2001 Code, that the award of the Distinguished Flying Cross to that individual is warranted and that a waiver of time restrictions prescribed by law for recommendation for such award is recommended.

SEC. 556. SENSE OF CONGRESS ON ISSUANCE OF CERTAIN MEDALS.
It is the sense of Congress that the Secretary of Defense should consider authorizing—

  1. the issuance of a campaign medal, to be known as the Korea Defense Service Medal, to each person who while a member of the Armed Forces served in the Republic of Korea, or the waters adjacent thereto, during the period beginning on July 28, 1954, and ending on such date thereafter as the Secretary considers appropriate;

  2. the issuance of a campaign medal, to be known as the Cold War Service Medal, to each person who while a member of the Armed Forces served satisfactorily on active duty during the Cold War; and

  3. the award of the Vietnam Service Medal to any member or former member of the Armed Forces who was awarded the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal for participation in military operations designated as Operation Frequent Wind arising from the evacuation of Vietnam on April 29 and 30, 1975.


The Medal was not created! Why?

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