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Title: Could This Be The Reason For No Medal This Year?
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(Date Posted:06/25/2009 23:34:19)

We do not want to make the Russians angry at us, so Kiss the medal goodbye.
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Re:Could This Be The Reason For No Medal This Year?
(Date Posted:06/26/2009 14:30:38)

I am shocked!  Shocked, I tell you, that the congress would throw us under the bus on their way to be bestest good buddies with the Soviets...er...Russians.  Ex-KGB Putin and his sock puppet Medvedev must be laughing their sides sore.

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RE:Could This Be The Reason For No Medal This Year?
(Date Posted:06/28/2009 16:02:28)

  I said this about two years ago, if you have the word "victory" in the Cold War Medal we will not get it because we will offend the Russians.  I said this then and I was called names and insults and told I did not know what I was talking about when it came to the Cold War "Victory" medal.  I said you emphasize the CWSM and/or Cold War Foreign Service medal.  But I was told by some of these so called "experts' on this discussion column that not pushing for the victory medal is a dumb idea.  I was told we want the victory medal only.  There is no other more fitting medal than the "victory" medal.  So now it looks like the chickens came home to roost.  So what are the experts here on this discussion column going to do now? 
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Re:Could This Be The Reason For No Medal This Year?
(Date Posted:06/28/2009 16:34:40)

Well, lets see. There is far more than meets the eye with this issue. Keep in mind our enemies read this forum.  We now know there are active persons working against us in DC and it is not who you might think. Much has been uncovered and we are not taking the bait or engaging in a fight but actually trying to work around the issue.

In May, in DC we actually had discussions with congressional staff about the upcoming talks with Russia. We posted a link to a teaser news story on the issue that Nukes may be really going away or at least being reduced to a level that would not end our existence. It was a serious discussion as soon as the President took office. We tried to get recognition and closure wrapped into the new START talks for closure for us all. Russia wouldn't have to be concerned we would have a leg up strategically etc... and thought it palatable and sellable without having to say victory. But everything went silent on us. There is much more to keeping us down than the cost of the medal, that is not much of an issue. The fact is that what we now know, Cold War veterans deserve much more than just a medal. They deserve equality as veterans of a period of war. A strategy to chip away at the hurdles and barriers to bringing equality would take all the sting out of the medal being attached to bennies.

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RE:Could This Be The Reason For No Medal This Year?
(Date Posted:06/28/2009 18:05:18)

The PC police are here.  If we can't say War on Terror anymore, we certainly can't use Cold War Victory.  We know we won.  It can just say Cold War and I'd be happy.

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Re:Could This Be The Reason For No Medal This Year?
(Date Posted:06/29/2009 10:01:53)

   Anymore I think it will take an act of God to get a cold war medal passed in any language Victory or Service. The fact is some people were adamit about having awarded a victory medal opposed to a service medal. Somebody posted the poll in here on which medal they would want to be awarded and some people wouldn't settle for anything less than a Victory medal! Personaly I voted for the service medal because that's what I did I served during the Cold War but at the same time this is not the reason why the medal has not been awarded, however the push should be for a Service Medal not a Victory Medal. I don't think for one minute you can award a Victory medal for a undecleared war hot or cold, besides not wanting to offend the Russian's it's all the strings that are attached to that medal, next it would be the NDM and with both comes VA bennifits, it's not the cost of the medal but the cost of everything that can be attached to it. If you look at all the language that has ever been written for a medal or certificate they all say Cold War Service Medal or Certificate not one says Victory.


Maybe you can fill us all in, who are the one's that are "activly"  working against us other than the DOD and what has been uncovered that we are not taking the bait.
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RE:Could This Be The Reason For No Medal This Year?
(Date Posted:06/29/2009 13:32:34)

Billy D. I am the person who posted the original poll. The overwhelming majority was not concerned about the name; Campaign VS. Service VS. Victory.

You can go back to the Cold War Medal section and on the 2nd or 3rd page is the original poll. In a nutshell, 80 individuals said any medal was okay, 24 wanted a campaign medal, 21 wanted Victory only and 1 person flat out didn't care about any medal.

That is only 16.6% who say it must be a victory medal.

Robert D. I don't recall anyone calling you names. Agreed that passions run very high for those that insist on a Victory Medal but no one attacked you, maybe the idea but not you personally. Stick around this time Robert and see if there is something you can do to help. I think people will listen.

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RE:Could This Be The Reason For No Medal This Year?
(Date Posted:06/29/2009 18:37:58)

The Russians have a Cold War SLBM service medal, so I don't think they would flip out over a Cold War SERVICE Medal.  Also, there was a big push for a VICTORY medal for Desert Storm, but that didn't go anywhere.  We are too PC today.  I remember being told not to fly the American flag in 2003 because it might upset the people we were fighting and/or liberating.  Timing might be an issue though as Jerry points out.  The CWSM is NOT dead, yet.

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Re:Could This Be The Reason For No Medal This Year?
(Date Posted:07/01/2009 12:22:50)

OK, how about this, we just call it the Cold War Medal.

No Victory.

No Service.

No Campaign.

You can't get anymore PC than that.

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RE:Could This Be The Reason For No Medal This Year?
(Date Posted:07/01/2009 16:16:01)

Hell, I hate to say it, but even if they authorized a plain white ribbon as a first step, I would be happy.  It could grow into a medal.  Some recognition!  A plain white ribbon, that we buy if you have honorable service during the Cold War, wouldn't cost the gov't anything.

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